Clearly, this is more of an issue among white evangelicals. MCCAMMON: I'm sure you're aware of the same exit polling, national survey data that we've all seen. But it is simply everywhere that we look. So while I see the very real threat of Christian nationalism in very blatant ways, I'm thankful to say that my congregation, for the most part, has kind of held this dangerous ideology at arm's length. If there was a cross in there anywhere, it would have been draped with the American flag. I mean, just this week, I saw a video promotion for a Christian church, and the ratio of American flags to Christian crosses was like zero to none. Living in Texas, you know, the blatant expressions of Christian nationalism - they're not hard to find. MILLS: Well, it's certainly something that we see everywhere we look. MCCAMMON: And Pastor Mills, why are you concerned about Christian nationalism?

But we've really noticed - we at Baptist Joint Committee and other groups that we work with noticed a rise in Christian nationalism and saw it as an urgent threat not just to our democracy and our unity as Americans, but also to our faithful walk as Christians. And this ideology has been with us for a long time. So it basically says that to be a 'true American,' in quotes, that one must be a Christian, or to be a real Christian, one has to be an American. For people who don't know, can you just define what Christian nationalism is exactly? And tell us more about the recent rise we've seen in this country. MCCAMMON: Amanda, I want to start with you. MICHAEL MILLS: Yeah, it's good to be here. Welcome to you both.ĪMANDA TYLER: Thanks for having me, Sarah. Here to tell us more about it are Amanda Tyler, the executive director at the Baptist Joint Committee for Religious Liberty, and Pastor Michael Mills with the Agape Baptist Church in Fort Worth, Texas. This week, Vote Common Good, a nonprofit aimed at influencing religiously motivated voters, is partnering with Christians Against Christian Nationalism, a large group of faith leaders, to launch a new curriculum aimed at confronting Christian nationalism in churches across the country.

We choose to speak out now because we do not want to be quiet accomplices in this ongoing sin,' unquote. Part of that letter reads, quote, 'We recognize that evangelicalism and white evangelicalism in particular has been susceptible to the heresy of Christian nationalism because of a long history of faith leaders accommodating white supremacy. Capitol, a coalition of more than 100 pastors and other faith leaders wrote an open letter condemning the role that radical Christian nationalism played in feeding the political extremism that led to the violent insurrection.

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